Getting Lucky with David Stouder: Four-leaf Clover Hunting

When I was a little girl, I remember how exciting it would be to find a heads-up penny on the ground, or, better yet – a whole quarter! I think of the scene in Grease when there’s the big car race and Jan finds a penny that she gives to Kenickie saying “See a penny, pick it up, all day long you’ll have good luck!” So, if it’s heads-up *and* a quarter, that must mean extra luck, right?! Then there were other times I remember thinking I must be special – like when I’d be staring at a street lamp the very moment it turned off. Or when I’d be thinking of a song and then turn on the radio to it playing. Or when I wouldn’t get picked last for the team games on the playground…

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Getting Lucky with David Stouder: Four-leaf Clover Hunting

Anyway, as we get older, we usually point to coincidences or statistics to explain the concept of luck. Richard Wiseman did a ten-year scientific study into the nature of luck that has revealed that, to a large extent, people make their own good and bad fortune. His research revealed that “Lucky people generate their own good fortune via four basic principles. They are skilled at creating and noticing chance opportunities, making lucky decisions by listening to their intuition, creating self-fulfilling prophecies via positive expectations, and adopting a resilient attitude that transforms bad luck into good.

“Sometimes we miss our rendezvous with Good Fortune because we’re not paying attention.”

-Dave Stouder

I met David and his wife at Sailor Oyster Bar when Paul and I went to dinner with Pat May and his fiancĂ©e to discuss his plant propagation app, Propa. We shared some of our anchovy toast with the table next to us (because it was so dang yummy-unique!) and we got to talking about my ambitions for Hobby Dabbler. It was then that David told me about his luck with finding four-leaf clovers and how he decided to bottle the essence into a product he calls Clover Dew – “for when your good fortune is over due.” Given my tendency to make social plans with new-found friends when I’m tipsy, I invited him to be a Hobby Host for a Hobby Dabbler experience and he agreed.

A few months passed before it worked out for Paul and me to meet up with David for Four-Leaf Clover Hunting. We met him on the side of the road next to a diner in Annapolis, right at on on-ramp to the highway. He had already scouted the area a bit and laid down scrap paper as markers but didn’t pick the lucky clovers so I’d have the joy of re-finding them. As we were hunting, a pedestrian was curious about what we were doing on the side of the road. David promptly got her a bottle of his Clover Dew spray while I joyfully explained that we were on a mission to find lucky clovers.

When I asked David how much time he spends looking for 4-leaf clovers, it amounted to roughly a few hours per week. I was grateful that he spent a little over an hour finding some with Paul and me that day. I took a narrative approach to this Hobby Dabbler experience. Once we told people about this episode, we were surprised that David isn’t the only person we know who finds them. Take a listen; let us know in the comments if you’ve found a 4-leaf clover before (or perhaps you often do).

As promised in the show, below are the responses I received when I asked my friends on Facebook if they believe in luck:

  • Becki: No
  • Jason: Only when it is accompanied with skill and hard work will luck do you any good… so yes
  • Kate: Not really. I believe in perspective & attitude & hard work and that a combination of those things can result in what looks like luck.
  • Seth: I believe in statistics. The LUCK that other people claim is simply the right flip of the coin after millions and millions of flips
  • Tim: Yes, both in the sense that there is irrefutable scientific and mathematical evidence to back up the existence of chaos and randomness in nature, AND that I personally witness it everyday from small probabilistic outcomes to larger happenstances
  • Heather: The universe must always balance. Sometimes it’s in your favor. Other times, not
  • Jenna: I always say that I am definitely not lucky, but I am blessed.

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Speaker 1 00:00:05 Do you believe in luck? Maybe you do, but can’t say so, because even admitting that you believe in luck might jinx it. Welcome to hobby dabbler, the show dedicated to exploring hobbies for people who want to make their free time more valuable. I’m your host, Vanessa crest. And today I’m sharing my recent experience going four leaf Clover hunting with David stouter. At the end of the show, we have a unique promo code for you. So make sure to listen all the way through
Speaker 1 00:00:46 So several years ago, my friend, Jen and I did a whole bunch of not so random acts of kindness on my birthday. Things like bringing flowers to a senior living home and ask, they go to someone who rarely gets visitors leaving quarters in a gumball machine at the grocery store, actually multiple grocery stores and multiple gumball machines taking food to the animal shelter. One of the sillier things we did was we bought lottery tickets and tape them behind the doors of bathroom stalls. With a note reading, you probably didn’t think you’d get lucky in a bathroom stall today.
Speaker 1 00:01:27 Hopefully the recipients found the same humor and fortunate that we intended, but it’s only now that I’m writing this post about luck that I realized, I never really thought about it in regards to creating luck for someone else. I mean, you know, you’re doing something that a semi-random, as in, you don’t know who will receive your kindness, but the creating luck part comes in because they were totally not expecting it. Anyway, the idea about luck versus randomness is fun to explore. So I was intrigued when I met someone who seems to come upon luck rather frequently. Paul and I met the subject of today’s episode, David stouter and his wife, while we were having appetizers and drinks with pat may and his wife. You may recall pat from one of my earlier episodes, one of my talents, much to my introverted husband’s chagrin is talking to strangers.
Speaker 1 00:02:22 When we go out, I was making the most of a tipsy social moment to introduce pat and his new plant propagation app propa to the couple of next to us. After we bonded over anchovy toast, I mentioned that I’d be interviewing him soon for my hobby dabbler podcast. And of course, after I explained the premise of the podcast, what normally happens happened, David told me about his hobby of finding four leaf clovers. And I was sold. We agreed that I joined him for a hunt. It took a few months, but we finally made it happen. Spoiler alert it. Also David, that gumption to get his website together more on that later, let’s start off with some basic information.
Speaker 2 00:03:07 Have you ever found a four leaf Clover before? No.
Speaker 3 00:03:10 I don’t know that I’ve ever gone hunting for them though.
Speaker 2 00:03:13 I average about, I think six, four leaf clovers
Speaker 1 00:03:16 A day. Paul hadn’t found any before either. In fact, he didn’t really have much interest in looking while we were out with David Paul happily volunteered to capture photos and videos of my efforts about two thirds of the way through. He just happened to look down and found one
Speaker 3 00:03:32 Found one. The first time you looked,
Speaker 2 00:03:35 All right, here we go. There you go. As the leaf chewed off, but it’s there. It’s there.
Speaker 1 00:03:43 I on the other hand and had been scouring for 40 minutes with no luck. Paul is known for being lucky. His mom calls it the Paul Cross effect. So there’s this whole conversation to be had about luck. I asked the question on Facebook to get an idea of how many of my friends believe in luck, the responses, weren’t all that surprising. I’ll post them in the show notes. If you’re interested. One of them though reminded me that there is a science behind the chaos and randomness evident in nature. When I looked up the oddity, that is a four-leaf Clover. It turns out that about one in 10,000 clovers mutate to have a fourth leaf. And I know what you’re thinking, especially after listening to the plant propagation episode, no, you cannot propagate that Clover to make a whole plant a four-leaf clovers while we’re on the topic of the plant itself. I learned during this hunt that there’s a common Clover imposter, the Excellus Oxalis Oak solace.
Speaker 2 00:04:44 Now the, uh, the biggest poser or the plant that isn’t a four-leaf Clover, here’s the ox Cylus. And they’re the ones with these really sculpted leaves. So see, see the difference, the heart leaves. Yeah. Let’s see how that’s like. So those are not clovers. No, that’s an Oxalis, that’s a Clover.
Speaker 1 00:05:08 It’s interesting to think about the idea that certain things only have value or are considered special because of their differences that make them less common. Like when it comes to people, they try so hard to fit in when really they’re just setting themselves up to be overlooked much like three leaf clovers
Speaker 2 00:05:32 To me, like, so it’s become just like, like a hobby and the thing I love to do. So I’ll always take the chance to just come out and hang out with the clovers. And you know, one time I had this feeling like the three leaf clovers were getting jealous. Did you pick one just to make it feel they were like, why do you only, you know, and I said to him, I spent a lot more time looking at three leaf clovers and I do four leaf clovers. They’re just the ones I like to find
Speaker 1 00:06:21 That excitement was short-lived. I didn’t actually have a four-leaf Clover
Speaker 2 00:06:26 Lately. I’ve been trying to hone my intuition because I figured the universe knows where all the clovers are. And so sometimes I’ve actually been able to just go, like, I think I’d go over there. And there’s one, you know, like sometimes I can, I can be that, whatever, just, and then other times you just stumble upon a big pack
Speaker 1 00:06:48 Home while I’m over there, honing let’s get back to David and how he came to create Cloverdale.
Speaker 2 00:06:54 I, a long, long time ago, I thought of this idea of Cloverdale, you know, but I never did anything about it. It was like an idea 30 some years ago. But when I was over at the Annapolis, small talking to a friend, sort of bored, and I started looking at one of the little median strips, I found 14, four leaf clovers and this one little place, I was like, oh my God. And that just made me go, okay, I’m going to do something with it this time. And that’s what sort of started me on, how am I going to make this spray for people? How am I going to share all this? Instead of just finding them, putting them in books, showing them to people, if I remember, and then they crumble, right?
Speaker 1 00:07:33 So you already work in the vitamin
Speaker 2 00:07:35 Industry. Yeah. Which, which actually, well, well, yeah, it was sort of, it was really great because once I made the decision, I went to, uh, uh, uh, one of the major herbal extract companies called herb farm with a pH and they’re in Williams, Oregon. So we were visiting, I worked for a broker, we were visiting the farm and I met an herbalist there who sort of had a, a bit of a mystic bent. And I told him kind of what I wanted to do. And so he told me to take the clovers and put them in brain alcohol and just swish them a little bit and let the essence kind of come out in the alcohol. And then one of our companies who makes homeopathic remedies told me how to make homeopathic remedies at home. So I basically take that Clover essence. And you, uh, you succuss it, you vibrate it down to where you’re just trying to capture the essence of the plant, which of course is what you want from before the flow rate. Um, I don’t think anyone’s ever said it’s good luck to eat them,
Speaker 1 00:08:42 But does it work while we were out by the street, hunting a passer, Byer stopped by and stared at us with curiosity, her name was Tina.
Speaker 2 00:08:53 I find so many, four-leaf clovers all my life, um, hundreds and I’m not lying. My biggest day was 43 and there was some five leaves in there. So what I do is I make a homeopathic, good luck spray out of them. So that, so that’s yours, it’s called Cloverdale. And so my thought is whatever there is to the four-leaf Clover, probably in that bottle.
Speaker 1 00:09:18 So what happened to Tina? You’re probably wondering, well, as it turns out, Tina later wrote to David that she’d won the lottery the next day. I’m kidding. She didn’t. I mean, she didn’t write to say she’d won the lottery. Maybe she did though. We just don’t know. I mean, if I’d won the lottery, I probably wouldn’t remember to tell some strangers that I met by the side of the road. She did in fact write though, and thank David for the bottle of Clover do and wished him luck on his Clover do venture, which, I mean, that’s kind of ironic, right?
Speaker 2 00:09:55 One time I was on Capitol hill with some people from the vitamin business. Cause that’s my day job if you will. And this was many years ago, but we were lobbying Congress for health freedom. And um, so we met at the Capitol and we took a group picture. Then we went off to our separate meetings with our legislators and, um, mine wasn’t for an hour. So I’m in a suit. I had a briefcase, you know, and I’m down with my briefcase, the Capitol, you know, and I’m like doing this and suddenly I just became aware and I looked up at like six feet. There was a cop six feet, there’s a cop six, there’s a cop. And they’re just staring at me. And I said, um, I said, how you doing? They just nodded. And I said, I’m looking for four leaf clovers. They nodded and stared at me and I go, okay, I’ll be on my way. So they never, you know, they weren’t mean to me or anything, but they just kinda like, you know, did you find me there? But I don’t remember if I did, but I left. I don’t think I had found any at the moment.
Speaker 1 00:11:00 What is next for David and Cloverdale?
Speaker 2 00:11:07 I found lots of five leaf clovers. I got great pictures. I found a fair amount of six leaf clovers. I found three seven leaf blowers in my life. And, uh, May 4th of this year I found an eight lead photo.
Speaker 2 00:11:26 I haven’t been greedy and try to go to casinos and sell it.
Speaker 1 00:11:32 I guess this is where luck meets integrity. Thank you, David, for not messing with the delicate balance of casino on
Speaker 1 00:11:49 Since this experience, I can’t help, but at least take a quick look of clusters of clovers to see if we find each other. In any case, it’s been an exercise of being present and trying to notice the things that usually go unnoticed.
Speaker 1 00:12:06 Thank you for listening to this episode of hobby dabbler. I hope you’re inspired to look for four leaf clovers or create some luck for someone else. Don’t forget to subscribe. Leave a note in the comments and tell us what you think or drop me a Be sure to follow us on Insta at hobby dabbler, underscore official and dabbler, where we post more hobby fodder throughout the week. Sign up to join our email to get notified when a new show drops and for insider news today’s episode is brought to you by crest consulting from online hosting to complete website design, Cress consulting is your one-stop shop for your digital presence.
Speaker 2 00:12:54 I have wondered if I find them or they find me
Speaker 3 00:12:58 Like you’re saying, I feel like sometimes it’s just because you’re letting yourself be in this moment where you’re extra observational about the things that are already there.
Speaker 1 00:13:10 If you’re curious and want to try your luck, head over to spray Clover, David has offered our listeners, the promo code, my four LLC, to get 20% off. Good luck.

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